If I Poke a Hole In My Own Waterbed, Is It Still a Leak, or Just a Disclosure?
To the Editor:
As I was reading your editorial page in the April 14 issue, I noticed Ellen Goodman's column, "When 'manliness' goes awry," and started to read it. But not for long.
In the second paragraph, I came across two glaring errors: "George W. Bush himself approved the leaking of classified intelligence...." It's not credible to believe that Ms. Goodman, given her profession, doesn't know that President Bush declassified the intelligence report and authorized its use before it was widely released.
Thus, no "leak," because the information wasn't "classified intelligence."
John
Why is it that every time something comes down the wire that doesn't work for ardent supporters of the President, they turn to the strategy of twisting semantics? Nobody denies that the President can declassify information. He can, although in this case, the order to leak the information, according to Libby's testimony, occured ten days before the information was declared declassified on July 18th. If he chose to release NIE information to the press, that was within his power. What is at question is not the legality of the President's actions, but the ethics of the matter.
Powers granted to the President are granted to him for use in serving the people of the United States, not his own political interests. If the President chooses to release classified information simply to advance his own agenda, or to discredit those who disagree with him, he is misusing the powers granted to him by the people. Sure, Bush claims he released the information to give people an 'accurate' account of the WMD situation in Iraq, but that begs the question: Why wasn't the entire NIE report released, instead of only select passages taken out of context? More salient is Libby's testimony, which states in no uncertain terms that the orders to leak NIE information were part of a strategy to discredit Joe Wilson's criticism of the administration's intelligence. It was a purely political move. Of course, it turns out Joe Wilson was right, but ultimately, that's not the point. George W. Bush used his power of declassification for the sole purpose of damaging the reputation of a political rival. I have absolutely no doubt that the fanatical right has no problem with this... they support any power taken by the President, no matter how unethical or underhanded, if it builds the administration's power. Frankly, though, they should just grow a set and own their opinions. Bush can not do anything that these folks will criticize. Okay, fine. Own up to the fact that you'd rather see the president retain power than act ethically. That's a valid political position. Embrace it, and stop toying with semantics.
A "leak," by the way, does not refer only to classified information. A leak is any information that gets to the press by unconventional means. Administration staffers have leaked everything from the topic of cabinet meetings to the mood of the president. These aren't examples of classified information, but they are leaks that the president has railed against in the past. Claiming that only classified information makes a leak flies directly in the face of the Bush's own comments about the danger of other leaks that did not involve classified intelligence. It's also the convenient semantics of the hour, though, and we all know which the fanatic right will choose.
"Well, the investigators will ask our staff about what people did or did not do. This is a town of . . .that. . . where a lot of people leak, and I've constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly leaks of classified information." - President Bush, 10/7/03
As you can see, Bush himself has mentioned he dislikes leaks, particularly leaks of classified information. Bush obviously believes that leaks come in both classified and unclassified flavors. It then becomes difficult to support his actions by holding up a definition that Bush himself obviously doesn't accept.
Whether or not you think the President can employ his granted powers for purely political purposes, this incident certainly calls into question Bush's integrity. Granted, he didn't have much left, but this time, the dishonesty is particularly egregious. When originally asked about the NIE leaks, Bush put on an act of outrage and portrayed a sense of betrayal. He spoke of the dangers of leaking information, and said that he would get to the bottom of the leak. he asked that anyone, inside the administration or without, provide him with any information they might have on the source of the leak.
". . .if there's a leak out of the administration, I want to know who it is. And if a person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. . . And so I welcome the investigation. . . I have told our administration people in my administration to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth." - President Bush, 10/30/03
Of course, now those clips bearing a striking resemblance to early videos of Susan Smith, begging the man who'd kidnapped her children to please return them, while she knew full well that her children were strapped into their carseats at the bottom of a lake. The problem here is actually less that Bush ordered the leaks, and more that he spent days afterwards pretending to be shocked and angry at the leaker. Again, if you think it's fine for Bush to purposefully fool the media and the public to shift blame away from himself, that's fine. Just be willing to accept your feelings about it. You're Machiavellian. You're calculating. You want Bush to maintain power more than you want a president who acts with integrity. Why do you have to mask your feelings with vocabulary games?
17 Comments:
If you poked a hole in your head, would anything leak out?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/index.html
From CNN.com, Oct 1, 2003.
"They asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else. According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative and not in charge of undercover operators," Novak said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-cia-wilson_x.htm
From USAToday.com, July 14, 2005
In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins.
Six years later, in July 2003, the name of the CIA officer — Valerie Plame — was revealed by columnist Robert Novak.
The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003.
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities.
SHE WASN'T COVERT.
Anybody could talk about her by name all they wanted, and it was not a crime.
You could find her name on Al Gore's Campaign Donor's List.
You could have Googled her, and found out that she worked for the CIA.
You could have walked into the headquarters of the CIA and asked if Valerie Plame worked there, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT SHE DID.
Dude, manufactured phoney scandals are not going to get rid of President Bush.
You might as well give up on beating dead horses, and point out what is GOOD about the people that you want in power. (If, indeed there is anything good about any of them.)
The real story here is, What was Joe Wilson doing in Niger? Why did the CIA pull a crusty old Former Ambassador out of retirement to send him on this mission?
Why won't you guys recognize the fact that by Wilson's OWN REPORT, Iraq WAS trying to purchase Yellow Cake Uranium from Niger, and the President was right?
Now, wear out that Copy and paste function, think really, really hard, and twist the facts up until it appears that you have refuted my facts.
You will still be wrong.
Look at the bright side, dude...
Now there about THREE people reading you nonsense!
Reading YOUR nonsense, that is...
(As Typos go, that one was a doozey...)
Now, wear out that Copy and paste function, think really, really hard, and twist the facts up until it appears that you have refuted my facts.
There's no point. It's like you didn't read a word I wrote.
I'm not even talking about Valerie Plame. Didn't mention her once in the piece. Go back and read it. Not one mention of Valerie Plame. If you're going to regurgitate, at least regurgitate on the right topic. I do defy you to find a published document indicating that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent that predates the leak, however. Good luck. Nobody has been able to do it so far.
As for yellow-cake, I'm unwilling to believe the story because the WHITE HOUSE ADMITTED IT WAS WRONG.
"The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake from Niger, so given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement." - Ari Fleischer, 7/7/03
Not only did Wilson's report paint the claims about an Iraq-Niger uranium deal as highly dubious, but it is documented that the CIA specifically warned the president that the claims had been debunked 2 days before the state of the Union speech in which Bush asserted the claim. It's not that the intelligence was bad. It's just that Bush ignored it in favor of a fantasy that better suited his purposes.
None of this really has much to do with my point, however, and I notice that you once again dodge the salient points I've made to throw out a lot a strawmen that you can knock down.
Fact: George W. Bush ordered the leaking of information from the NIE to discredit Joe Wilson.
Fact: George W. Bush made numerous statements following the leak, both on his own and through his press secretary, expressing shock and anger over the leak of information, vowing to get to the bottom of it, and asking for help in finding the source of the leak.
Inevitable Conclusion: George W. Bush willfully and malisciously mislead the press, his own staff, and the American people to cover up the fact that the leak had originated from his own orders.
You can not get around this. Not with all of your "Valerie Plame wasn't covert" nonsense. Not with questions about why a former African ambassador and scholar on Niger might be asked to lead an investigation in Niger. Not even with the patented old "I'm right and you're wrong."
The President has no credibility, he has no integrity, and he refuses to accept responsibility. The man has misled the American people time and time again. This time, it's just extra obvious and embarassing.
Like I said, if you want to argue that integrity isn't important, and that the president shouldn't have to be honest with the people he works for, that's fine. You're machiavellian and you're a social dawinist. Those are valid political standpoints. Why do you have to dodge around them? Why not just admit to them?
I may be wrong, but at least I'm honest with myself about my political views.
Look at the bright side, dude...
Now there about THREE people reading you nonsense!
I love it when people say this. You're like the third person to claim they're the only person who reads this blog. Meanwhile, I actually get to see site statistics.
Once again, someone on the right thinks they're going to hurt with taunts that a simple fact-check can prove false.
Really? I think they're kind of fun. Don't be afraid of egging them on here. As long as there's nothing obscene or threatening, I'm not going to censor it. I may get sick of them eventually, but Mikey here is doing a better job than I ever could at presenting the benefits of a good liberal arts education, and showing just how much the far-right relies more and more on straw men and regurgitation.
I almost wish I'd taken him up on the Valerie Plame issue now... damn. Oh well, I'll blog on it eventually.
Thanks, though, GC. =)
"I love it when people say this. You're like the third person to claim they're the only person who reads this blog. Meanwhile, I actually get to see site statistics."
Really?
Me too!!
Your Total number of visits...1,148
Your Average number of vists Per Day...47
Your Average Visit Length... 4:15
Your visits in the Last Hours... 2
Visits Today...22
Visits This Week...329
Not exactly setting the world on fire, dude.
You're talking about the number of hits I got today, instead of addressing the question.
You were really good at dodgeball in middle school, weren't you?
Nah, I just read a lot of Liberal Blogs.
Checking to see if the tactics of the Left will work for me...
Okay, to address your point, (if I can determine what your point was supposed to be from this convoluted mess...)
"so, even though it appears he [President Bush} was the one that passed that information on, somehow, he didn't know and wanted to know that it was him. right......"
I respond with my original counterpoint, which was that the information was not classified in the first place, and if it had been, then it wasn't after the President disclosed it, because he has the authority to declassify information whenever and however he wants to.
President Bush is not an immoral, power mad megalomaniac, bent upon destroying his political adversaries by any means necessary. If he were, then Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid would all be dead by now.
I'm not the only one with a tin-foil hat, my friend.
I will say it again.
You would do well to focus less on wild, phony scandals about non-existant conspiracies in the White house, and more on the positive aspects of those that you support.
We all gathered already that you don't like President Bush.
What else ya got?
Nah, I just read a lot of Liberal Blogs.
Checking to see if the tactics of the Left will work for me...
Uh-huh. I love the way the far-right hates the far-left, but uses all the tactics they (appropriately) rail against the left for using. If you think it's distasteful, don't emulate it. It's not that hard.
"so, even though it appears he [President Bush} was the one that passed that information on, somehow, he didn't know and wanted to know that it was him. right......"
I respond with my original counterpoint, which was that the information was not classified in the first place, and if it had been, then it wasn't after the President disclosed it, because he has the authority to declassify information whenever and however he wants to.
Okay, first of all, that was ka's question, not mine. Not that you should dodge him either, but I was the one you were addressing, so you might have wanted to address what I said. You have again failed to do so, so I will again reiterate.
Fact: George W. Bush ordered the leaking of information from the NIE to discredit Joe Wilson.
Fact: George W. Bush made numerous statements following the leak, both on his own and through his press secretary, expressing shock and anger over the leak of information, vowing to get to the bottom of it, and asking for help in finding the source of the leak.
Inevitable Conclusion: George W. Bush willfully and malisciously mislead the press, his own staff, and the American people to cover up the fact that the leak had originated from his own orders.
It has nothing to do with whether any of the information was classified or not. That's a completely spurious argument, and you can whittle away on it from both sides. My point is that if a leader gives orders for the leak of information, and then publically presents himself as not knowing about the leak, seeming angry about the leak, and asking for help in discovering the source of the leak, the integrity of that person is in serious question.
Shit or get off the pot, Mikey. I don't mind a debate, but I'm not going to waste time on somebody who is either:
A) Not smart enough to understand the topic raised
or
B) Unwilling to recognize a topic that he can't handle
Until you can find your way to the original topic raised in the entry, and can stick to it instead of setting up your straw men, my interaction with you over the topic is over. I am only willing to repeat myself so many times, and I'm not willing to discuss serious topics with Rush Limbaugh's tape recorder.
Again, just so we're all clear:
Nobody here is questioning whether or not the NIE information was classified, or whether it was legally disclosed. There is a valid debate there, but it's not the topic here. The topic here is that President Bush made a spectacle of himself following the release of information that he gave the orders to release, damaging his already wanting integrity and the credibility of his administration.
"Fact: George W. Bush ordered the leaking of information from the NIE to discredit Joe Wilson."
Fact: Joe Wilson was and is a Liar, and needed to be discredited.
Fact: George W. Bush made numerous statements following the leak, both on his own and through his press secretary, expressing shock and anger over the leak of information, vowing to get to the bottom of it, and asking for help in finding the source of the leak.
Fact:George W. Bush was well within his rights and authority to release whatever information he deemed apropriate to release.
"Inevitable Conclusion: George W. Bush willfully and malisciously mislead the press, his own staff, and the American people to cover up the fact that the leak had originated from his own orders."
Not Quite.
Inevitable conclusion: George W. Bush set a trap for the Left Leaning Media and his Tin-Foil Hat wearing detractors such as Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, and yourself, and everyone stepped directly into it, and now you all look like idiots.
The President has done nothing illegal. If he has, then bring charges against him, and make them stick.
You CAN'T.
Again, I GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT.
WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DO LIKE?
I asked you a question, boy.
If you can't answer it, then shut up.
Rush who??
Oh, and I LOVE the fact that you used the "Straw Man" phrase!
What page is that on in the Liberal Arguing Handbook?
I have never tried to discuss anything with a Liberal that they did not resort to that method of dismissing some point that I have made.
You forgot to accuse me of using a "Red Herring".
I'm not worried, though. You'll get around to that too, sooner or later.
Your whole post was a Straw Man.
It does not matter whether or not the President "leaked" information about the Wilson twins.
If everyone in America agreed with you on this, it still would not ammount to anything.
It was not illegal. Get over it.
What the Wilson/Plame conspiracy attempted to do, however, (Attempting to undermine a sitting President during a time of War) could be construed as Treason at worst, and Sedition at least.
Where is your outrage?
Don't you love and support your Country, man?
Ahhhh, the empty nationalism comes out, but an actual answer doesn't. Figures.
Inevitable conclusion: George W. Bush set a trap for the Left Leaning Media and his Tin-Foil Hat wearing detractors such as Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, and yourself, and everyone stepped directly into it, and now you all look like idiots.
We all look like idiots for calling the President a liar because he lied? This doesn't make any sense. It's not just a stretch, it's borderline moronic. I hate to lend any credence to this kind of pap, but even if this were true, you are saying that it's okay for the President to mislead the country for the purpose of 'setting traps' for his political opponents. Go back and read the original entry. This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. The president employing his powers unethically for the sole purpose of increasing his own political power. So, while I emphatically deny that there is any truth to your wholecloth fabrications, even if they were true, they would only serve to emphasize my original point.
You believe that it's okay for the president to act unethically for the sole purpose of increasing his power. You basically just admitted so much. Why, then, do you have to dodge it for 13 post after post?
WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DO LIKE?
I asked you a question, boy.
If you can't answer it, then shut up.
This is not a dumping ground for far-righties who support their politics like they support their favorite football team, do or die, without any real understanding or critical evaluation. Nor is it a feel-good happy place for far-lefties who attend protests as a social event. This is my blog, and I get to set the rules, and while I welcome comments from anyone, I expect repeated visitors to do two things:
1) Own their opinions.
2) Defend their opinions
OR
Reflect on undefendable
opinions
I get to make those rules, because it's my blog. When I write a blog where I throw my support behind one particular candidate or another, you may take the opportunity to engage me in that discussion then, but if you go back and read, you'll find I haven't done so yet, and that's not an accident. Until that time, you may not change the topic of a thread simply to avoid a topic I've chosen that you are unable to handle comfortably. If you can't own and defend your opinion on a particular topic, don't post on it. You are not allowed to change the topic to make it more comfortable for yourself. You have your own blog, and you get to choose the topic there. Not here.
Oh, and I LOVE the fact that you used the "Straw Man" phrase!
What page is that on in the Liberal Arguing Handbook?
Yeah, well,
A) I'm not a liberal. If you took some time to read here before spouting your mouth off, you'd know I was a registered Republican until about 4 weeks ago.
B) It's an accusation often used against the right because it's a tactic the right often uses. The right does not want to admit to being Machiavellians, Social Darwinists, or Blind Nationalists, even though their policies make these tendancies obvious. For this reason, they try to keep all discourse away from topics that make these tendancies come to the forefront, much as you have tried to do. If people keep calling you ugly, maybe the problem isn't with everybody else's eyesight.
You forgot to accuse me of using a "Red Herring".
Yeah, that's because it would be redundant to mention both straw men and red herring. They're basically the same thing. Nice vocabulary.
It does not matter whether or not the President "leaked" information about the Wilson twins.
It does, not for legal reasons, but because the President made numerous appearances claiming to have no idea where the leak originated. The President, you see, is a liar.
If everyone in America agreed with you on this, it still would not ammount to anything.
Sure it would. It would amount to a 0% approval rating, instead of the 33% approval rating he currently has, according to, of all places, that liberal bastion of left-wing misinformation Fox News.
It was not illegal. Get over it.
"Why do people keep accusing me of using Straw Men to change the course of a conversation? Whine..."
I dunno, Mikey. I dunno. Can't figure it out.
What the Wilson/Plame conspiracy attempted to do, however, (Attempting to undermine a sitting President during a time of War) could be construed as Treason at worst, and Sedition at least.
Where is your outrage?
Don't you love and support your Country, man?
This is a Nationalism-Free Zone. This blog is for Patriots. Just so you know the difference:
Nationalists love their country because their country is always right.
Patriots love their country and, therefore, want to make sure their country is always right.
It's a subtle difference, but an important one. Accusations of Treason and Sedition over the very American act of Dissent will be deleted in the future, regardless of what other points the post may contain. You've been warned.
If everyone in America agreed with you on this, it still would not ammount to anything.
Does this statement mean that you would do anything that this President asked you to do without questioning it--if he told you it was for the 'good of the country'? Because it certainly seems like that's what you're implying; America's feelings on issues shouldn't matter in the least to the President because He's the One in Charge.
If that's what you think...holy crap, Mikey. That's TERRIFYING.
How dare you try to impose rules on me just because it is your blog!
I have Freedom of Speech in America, doggone it, and if you delete me, then you are a Fascist and a Communist, and you are guilty of CENSORSHIP!!
Just Kidding.
So, let me get this straight...
It's okay for you to call me a Nationalist, because I do not yet believe that the President Lied.
(Sorry, I haven't seen any clear evidence to prove that he did, about anything. All I've seen is spin, innuendo, and unfounded allegations.)
But I am not allowed to even use the word "Sedition" or "Traitor", because that makes me a Nationalist?
There is such a thing as a Traitor. There is such a crime as Sedition.
If you want to point out the real Liars in this situation, point at Wilson and Plame.
If the President did lie, he lied about insignifigant things.
Wilson and Plame lied about big stuff, and have caused an ugly National Debate for years now because they undermined the President's integrity.
History has already shown that the President was right about the Yellow Cake issue, but you can't hear that because Wilson and Plame's lies have fueled your hatred for the President to the point that you cannot accept truth anymore if that truth would work in any way in the President's favor.
The whole issue is Hogwash, anyway.
It's been fun harrassing you, and you should be proud. You read right from the script all along.
But this is boring.
One day you will realize that you have been wrong.
I will now delete you from my favorites list, and leave you to your ignorance.
Have a nice life, and remember, Voting isn't that important. The Republicans own all the Voting Machines anyway, and if the Votes don't put them in power, they now own the Supreme Court so it doesn't matter if you vote or not.
Just take it easy, and stay home on Election Day.
Bye-bye, Troll.
Sorry to have ruined your attempts to stroke your own faltering sense of self-esteem.
That's just not what this blog is here for.
Come back in November, though. I'm sure I'll be quoting you!
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